A few years ago, we enrolled my son in a private school. Challenger, to be specific. Some good friends had done the same with their son, and it seemed like the right choice. However, tuition was a tough bill to pay every month (around $200.00), and we got behind on some other bills. Push came to compromise and we had to pull him out of Challenger and enroll him in *gasp* public school. This was hard for us, as we did like Challenger and our son was doing really well (even if it was kindergarten)
We lived down the street from Millcreek Elementary and figured it was as good a choice as any other. We discovered a very nice little school, with small class sizes because young families can’t afford the home prices in the area (we were renting). We discovered that our son’s kindergarten teacher had a budget of $200 for the entire year, where we were dumping that much each month into Challenger. So, we did what any parent who wants to see their child succeed would do, we pitched in. My wife became a room mother and we helped out with treats and everything we could manage.
We fell in love with Millcreek, my wife became the PTA president, and even after we moved to the west-side, we “windowed” my son in and will continue to do that, so long as the school stays open (you hear that Granite district?).
Still, being a Libertarian I do think schools would be better-off out of the hands of the government. Needless to say, I dreamed about the day vouchers would become a reality, as they seemed a step in the right direction. As the PTA president, my wife has suffered some slings and arrows regarding our pro-voucher position, particularly from the Utah PTA, who basically said that if you’re a member of the PTA, you were to vote anti-voucher. They do remember that PTA is an all-volunteer organization, don’t they? Who are they to tell us how we were to vote? I did sign their petition, though, to put the decision on the ballot, rather than letting the legislature just pass it into law. I figured, let both camps campaign and allow the people to decide.
Unfortunately, now that I look into the proposal, I can see that this voucher thing isn’t the panacea I dreamed it would be. Hell, it’s not even a band aid…
First off, $3000/year? That’s it? Who does that benefit? The voucher people say there are schools whose annual tuition is as low as $5000/year… sure, parochial schools! Geez, you try to raise your kids as secular-humanists… (thanks to The Simpsons for that line) That doesn’t give those of us who make an average salary that choice of education you’re trying to promote. There’s no way, now that I pay a mortgage rather than rent, that I could afford to send my son back to Challenger even with a $3000 voucher. Also, why can’t parents who choose to home school their kids get this money? Shouldn’t they be entitled to a tax break if they’re not using the public schools?
It seems to me that the people who will most likely take advantage of the vouchers are people who can already afford private school. So, in other words, the rich benefit with a tax break in the form of a voucher while the rest of us stay where we are. Hmmmm… yep, sounds like Republicans sponsored this bill.
Still, the anti-voucher camp is struggling to get their facts straight, it seems, and that’s annoying me when I see their commercials. So a couple of quick facts:
The money for these vouchers is supposed to come from the “public” fund, not the “education” fund, so theoretically the schools shouldn’t lose money. Of course, we’re talking about a legislature that funds education last, after their own salaries, so they’ll likely give all the $$ they can to the public fund and cut education after a few years of this.
Accreditation isn’t the responsibility of the state government when it comes to private schools. It’s up to the parents to look into the credentials and curriculum of the schools (and I believe that should be done whether it’s a private or public school) and decide whether or not to send their kids there. Once again, if accreditation was mandatory, parents wouldn’t be free to home-school their children if they choose.
Meanwhile, the pro-voucher camp is appealing to our emotions a-la Hannity-style (they’re fine Americans). First they did a survey where they asked folks if they were pro or anti voucher. If a person said “anti,” they would retort with: “well, you know who else is against vouchers? The NEA, who supports the homosexual agenda.” And now they’re saying that Utah’s legacy is to support private schooling. WTF? Who came up with those lines of bullshit?
So the anti-voucher camp is spouting out facts that have nothing to do with the bill, and the pro-voucher camp is pissing me off with their bigoted and spurious appeal to the conservative class. Now I want to vote for vouchers as punishment for campaigning with bad data, and I want to vote against vouchers as punishment for insulting my intelligence…
In the end, and to wrap this long post up, I’m thinking I’m going to vote against vouchers to say, “now go back and do it right!” (yeah, like they can manage that)









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Good point. I agree.
You said:
“Also, why can’t parents who choose to home school their kids get this money? Shouldn’t they be entitled to a tax break if they’re not using the public schools?”
How about those people who don’t have children or never plan to have children? Should they also get a tax break? They’re not using the public schools.
Great post. I’m against vouchers but I have to admit that a good portion of my angst against this plan lies in the fact that the tactics and arguments used by its supporters are often so offensive.
I can see that vouchers are a great idea in places where the school systems are absolutly screwed up. I can also see that it isn’t necessary for the state to micro-manage private schools under a voucher plan because the market could do a decent job keeping the hucksters from succeeding.
My biggest concerns are:
A - I don’t think Utahns want to send their kids to private schools because our public system has been doing a great job even when we fund it on the cheap. Utah has a far lower percentage of our students in private schools than nearly any other state in the nation even though there are some relatively cheap private schools available here. This system will end up mainly subsidizing only those who wouldn’t have ever put their kids in public schools in the first place. We don’t need a new entitlement for these people.
B - I don’t think using tax dollars to subsidize FLDS, LDS, Muslim, KKK, or any other philisophically based schools is a good idea. This plan would allow that to happen. I get miffed when the legislators even suggest bringing up the idea of creationism in public school science classes. The idea that I’d have to pay taxes to support an entire class on the topic really leaves me cold.
Heh… I just noticed that the title of my post is now: “JC Carter: My 2 cents…” and my picture is included… I guess JM is tired of people not paying attention to the “posted by” and thinking he wrote my posts.
Waitaminute… you said you spent $200/mo on tuition at Challenger but that a $3000 voucher wouldn’t cover that? I’m confused… mainly because I thought tuition was much higher than that. (Not trying to nitpick, just making sure the numbers are right.)
Jeremy: Utahns love their public schools because they’re “free” and Utahns are notoriously, er, “frugal”.
D’oh! bad math on my part! Yes, it was around $200/month for what they called “Pre-K”, which is basically Kindergarten in public school. The next year, my cost would have gone up exponentially. Add to that the cost of uniforms, materials, etc., it would have been overly spendy. The average cost for Challenger is around $11000/year.
I’m a big fan of Challenger. My pre-K kid is going there now. I asked them about vouchers and they said they won’t take them even if the legislation passes. They don’t want the state butting into their business. I don’t blame them.
My kid is in Challenger too (pre-k), and it’s true - Challenger won’t accept vouchers anyway.
I’ll confess to being for vouchers. Utah’s public education system complains too much in general and specifically. They don’t do what they really need to do to fight the system: Make it painful for the parents (cancel sports and after school actives outright for starters - see how fast they get more money then). It’s management heavy, bureaucratically slow and when it gets right down to it, they’re just not very good. The sad thing is that there are *so many* shining examples to the contrary - dedicated teachers, outstanding programs and so on. And it pisses me off when the education department holds up these EXCEPTIONS as evidence they’re doing a good job. The fact remains that Utah’s students *on average* cannot compete with most of the rest of the country. For all of our good intentions, our kids are getting left behind.
The schools are over populated, under staffed, and failing federal guidelines which will only lead to more guidelines and federal oversight and regulation, which simply adds up to even less money for the students and teachers at even greater expense. Vouchers take students out of public schools at the personal expense of those who choose it, making public class sizes smaller. Smaller classes means more attention for the kids, and (hopefully) better grades. Better grades means more federal money and less oversight. It many or may not work out, but conflict breeds effort and competition - something sorely missing from Utah’s education department.
You don’t really need or want that lifestyle, it might hurt y’all slowly more…….Just tell him you
don’t wanna repeat something your not too proud of z7uas.
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