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	<title>Comments on: Utah Kinda Bums Me Out - Odds Are It Depresses You, As Well - Utah Moodswings and Religion, With Bonus Jesus Stuff</title>
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		<title>By: Tina Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, I am not being a smart***.  I'm very serious.  I have let my friends down.  I have offended them and or made them mad (not with intent, most of the time).  I am just lucky that my friends are forgiving. And I really am sorry for the times that I have let you down. And I do need to apologize. To you and everyone else as well.     

My point is that all those "intolerant" people are also sinners (you know, Judge not....) and they all know it.  Believe it or not, a good portion of those people really care about you and are afraid for the eternal welfare of your soul.  The problem is they haven't got a clue how to tell you. It is hard to really understand the other person's perspective when you don't believe the same things. And I mean this from both points of view. 
I really want people to know, it is not what the doctrine teaches that is the problem.  It is that the people who belong to the church, but don't live it's precepts.  

No, I didn't read the article. I did read your post and the comments posted here.  So, to my second point. I did get the fact that this isn't all about an attack on the church.  But I am concerned that so many people are so bitter about how they have been treated.  People have a real reason to be resentful and angry, especially when children have been harmed. And I am including all those who are adults now, but who were harmed as children. Reliving all the hurt feelings however, is like eating rat poison in the hope that the rat will die.  It hurts you, not the people who have hurt you.  That's where forgiveness comes in.  It affects you more than the other person. Ask JC about the "Let it flow, let it go" philosophy.  He's a very enlightened soul. 

As far as the rest of the post, I didn't comment because I didn't feel it needed more comment. Very well said!  
Except, I must add, for those who are depressed, not because of anything you did (because chemistry does get out of whack)ask for help.  We all need help sometimes.  Life actually is worth living.  And you are worth it. 

By the way, you were not the biggest sinner in our community. I don't know who it was, but I'm sure it wasn't you.  Thank you thinking I was kind. I try to be. And thank you for the short memory (As you can see, I am a bit preachy).  Most of all, thanks for loving me best. I won't tell Julie, because I don't want her to feel like she's not the best. But, it does make me feel all sparkly and sunny inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I am not being a smart***.  I&#8217;m very serious.  I have let my friends down.  I have offended them and or made them mad (not with intent, most of the time).  I am just lucky that my friends are forgiving. And I really am sorry for the times that I have let you down. And I do need to apologize. To you and everyone else as well.     </p>
<p>My point is that all those &#8220;intolerant&#8221; people are also sinners (you know, Judge not&#8230;.) and they all know it.  Believe it or not, a good portion of those people really care about you and are afraid for the eternal welfare of your soul.  The problem is they haven&#8217;t got a clue how to tell you. It is hard to really understand the other person&#8217;s perspective when you don&#8217;t believe the same things. And I mean this from both points of view.<br />
I really want people to know, it is not what the doctrine teaches that is the problem.  It is that the people who belong to the church, but don&#8217;t live it&#8217;s precepts.  </p>
<p>No, I didn&#8217;t read the article. I did read your post and the comments posted here.  So, to my second point. I did get the fact that this isn&#8217;t all about an attack on the church.  But I am concerned that so many people are so bitter about how they have been treated.  People have a real reason to be resentful and angry, especially when children have been harmed. And I am including all those who are adults now, but who were harmed as children. Reliving all the hurt feelings however, is like eating rat poison in the hope that the rat will die.  It hurts you, not the people who have hurt you.  That&#8217;s where forgiveness comes in.  It affects you more than the other person. Ask JC about the &#8220;Let it flow, let it go&#8221; philosophy.  He&#8217;s a very enlightened soul. </p>
<p>As far as the rest of the post, I didn&#8217;t comment because I didn&#8217;t feel it needed more comment. Very well said!<br />
Except, I must add, for those who are depressed, not because of anything you did (because chemistry does get out of whack)ask for help.  We all need help sometimes.  Life actually is worth living.  And you are worth it. </p>
<p>By the way, you were not the biggest sinner in our community. I don&#8217;t know who it was, but I&#8217;m sure it wasn&#8217;t you.  Thank you thinking I was kind. I try to be. And thank you for the short memory (As you can see, I am a bit preachy).  Most of all, thanks for loving me best. I won&#8217;t tell Julie, because I don&#8217;t want her to feel like she&#8217;s not the best. But, it does make me feel all sparkly and sunny inside.</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tina &lt;/b&gt; - I also have the feeling you're being a smartass, but, I'll need confirmation of that before I'll admit that you got me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tina </b> - I also have the feeling you&#8217;re being a smartass, but, I&#8217;ll need confirmation of that before I&#8217;ll admit that you got me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Bradley&lt;/b&gt; Intolerant of the intolerant - funny. You may throw the first stone.

&lt;b&gt;jess&lt;/b&gt; - Thank you.

&lt;b&gt; JC&lt;/b&gt; - And thank you.

&lt;b&gt; Jeremy &lt;/b&gt; - and thank you, too.

&lt;b&gt; Tina&lt;/b&gt;, I have a feeling that you didn't read the articles that sparked this little missive (linked at the top) and that you may not have read the entire post. I hope this is true, because if it's not, you completely missed the point and decided that the whole post was a personal attack on the Church and its members, which it isn't. 

However, yes, even when I was the biggest sinner in our tiny town, you were always very kind and never preachy, and I have always loved you for that (still love Julie as well, even though she WAS preachy as hell, so, I loved you more, see?), you should know that this has nothing to do with church folk like you.

As to forgiveness? No. I was fine and didn't care, but when they started picking on my children? That was pretty much the very end of tolerance for the intolerant.

&lt;b&gt;Misty &lt;/b&gt; - HA LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bradley</b> Intolerant of the intolerant - funny. You may throw the first stone.</p>
<p><b>jess</b> - Thank you.</p>
<p><b> JC</b> - And thank you.</p>
<p><b> Jeremy </b> - and thank you, too.</p>
<p><b> Tina</b>, I have a feeling that you didn&#8217;t read the articles that sparked this little missive (linked at the top) and that you may not have read the entire post. I hope this is true, because if it&#8217;s not, you completely missed the point and decided that the whole post was a personal attack on the Church and its members, which it isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>However, yes, even when I was the biggest sinner in our tiny town, you were always very kind and never preachy, and I have always loved you for that (still love Julie as well, even though she WAS preachy as hell, so, I loved you more, see?), you should know that this has nothing to do with church folk like you.</p>
<p>As to forgiveness? No. I was fine and didn&#8217;t care, but when they started picking on my children? That was pretty much the very end of tolerance for the intolerant.</p>
<p><b>Misty </b> - HA LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Misty Fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dear. Bradley, intolerance isn't when you put up with being made to feel like you're going to hell or are a bad person because you're different. It's when you are the person making someone else feel like they're going to hell or are a bad person because of their difference.

It really doesn't work to call the intolerated "intolerant" for wanting tolerance.

Err, something like that. I think I just lost myself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dear. Bradley, intolerance isn&#8217;t when you put up with being made to feel like you&#8217;re going to hell or are a bad person because you&#8217;re different. It&#8217;s when you are the person making someone else feel like they&#8217;re going to hell or are a bad person because of their difference.</p>
<p>It really doesn&#8217;t work to call the intolerated &#8220;intolerant&#8221; for wanting tolerance.</p>
<p>Err, something like that. I think I just lost myself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is the perfect commentary on the news story you linked to.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is the perfect commentary on the news story you linked to.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, not all of us are depressed or on mood altering drugs.  That being said; you do sound a little bitter, and some of your bitterness is my fault.  I am sorry for letting you down and for not living up to the things I've been taught.  (still not depressed though) It is my fault (and people like me) and not the church's fault that you have been mistreated.  Even though I have acted quite badly at times, I have always liked who you are, as you are.  And just in case you have not heard this before...the dominant religion in these parts is not a hotel for saints, it's a hospital for sinners who have great hopes of becoming saints, someday.  I hope some day you can forgive us (me).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, not all of us are depressed or on mood altering drugs.  That being said; you do sound a little bitter, and some of your bitterness is my fault.  I am sorry for letting you down and for not living up to the things I&#8217;ve been taught.  (still not depressed though) It is my fault (and people like me) and not the church&#8217;s fault that you have been mistreated.  Even though I have acted quite badly at times, I have always liked who you are, as you are.  And just in case you have not heard this before&#8230;the dominant religion in these parts is not a hotel for saints, it&#8217;s a hospital for sinners who have great hopes of becoming saints, someday.  I hope some day you can forgive us (me).</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The common sense of a dominant religion has given us an intolerance of those who have different beliefs..."

Ironically, you don't come off sounding very tolerant in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The common sense of a dominant religion has given us an intolerance of those who have different beliefs&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ironically, you don&#8217;t come off sounding very tolerant in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Brutha Bell, Amen.</description>
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		<title>By: jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i loved this post, jeff. beautifully written..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i loved this post, jeff. beautifully written..</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; Misty&lt;/b&gt; - no, politics don't count.

&lt;b&gt;Bekkieann&lt;/b&gt; - Wow. Thanks.

&lt;b&gt;rmwarnick&lt;/b&gt; - Ha!

&lt;b&gt;Misty &lt;/b&gt; - exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> Misty</b> - no, politics don&#8217;t count.</p>
<p><b>Bekkieann</b> - Wow. Thanks.</p>
<p><b>rmwarnick</b> - Ha!</p>
<p><b>Misty </b> - exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Misty Fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not if you go do good deeds! They're anti-depressants all on their own. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not if you go do good deeds! They&#8217;re anti-depressants all on their own. <img src='http://jmbell.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: rmwarnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>rmwarnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not on on anti-depressants, but any more blog posts like this before New Year's and I'll need some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not on on anti-depressants, but any more blog posts like this before New Year&#8217;s and I&#8217;ll need some.</p>
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		<title>By: Utah Kinda Bums Me Out - Odds Are It Depresses You, As Well - Utah Moodswings and Religion, With Bonus Jesus Stuff &#183; Gift Card News and Deals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Utah Kinda Bums Me Out - Odds Are It Depresses You, As Well - Utah Moodswings and Religion, With Bonus Jesus Stuff &#183; Gift Card News and Deals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original post by J.M. Bell - and Friends [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bekkieann</title>
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		<dc:creator>bekkieann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a surprisingly beautiful message!  Your post resonates with me and my own experiences.  Well-said, especially this:  Life is so terribly short and, for most everyone, devoid of purposeful direction. Are we really set upon a path of divine direction, locked for life in a pre-ordained muddle of mediocrity and constant struggle, or, is the gift of life a deeper thing; a opportunity to shine and grow and achieve?

We should never stop asking ourselves that question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a surprisingly beautiful message!  Your post resonates with me and my own experiences.  Well-said, especially this:  Life is so terribly short and, for most everyone, devoid of purposeful direction. Are we really set upon a path of divine direction, locked for life in a pre-ordained muddle of mediocrity and constant struggle, or, is the gift of life a deeper thing; a opportunity to shine and grow and achieve?</p>
<p>We should never stop asking ourselves that question.</p>
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		<title>By: Misty Fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does political volunteering count? What if we have both a Utah Food Bank box and a Volunteers of America box at the volunteer office? Ok, ok. I'll see if I can find something extra that I wasn't already doing, and maybe bring the kids along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does political volunteering count? What if we have both a Utah Food Bank box and a Volunteers of America box at the volunteer office? Ok, ok. I&#8217;ll see if I can find something extra that I wasn&#8217;t already doing, and maybe bring the kids along.</p>
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