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	<title>Comments on: FISA &#8211; Feingold and Dodd Amendment Defeated &#8211; IMPEACH THE SENATE</title>
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		<title>By: VilaD</title>
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		<dc:creator>VilaD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with the statement that there has been &quot;illegal listening&quot; for years.  The parties involved just happened to get sloppy and finally get caught at it.

Of course, you have to look at the flip side of this and acknowledge that if our elected officials and other people in power were Honest, had Integrity and kept to a code of Ethics, saying and doing nothing illegal  that could be used against them; then the telecom companies would not have had any leverage to affect the outcome of the FISA debacle.

George Orwell studied the history of the rise and fall of great nations and saw the U.S. going in the same direction.  He didn&#039;t need a degree in Rocket Science or a Crystal Ball to extrapolate what path the US would end up following.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the statement that there has been &#8220;illegal listening&#8221; for years.  The parties involved just happened to get sloppy and finally get caught at it.</p>
<p>Of course, you have to look at the flip side of this and acknowledge that if our elected officials and other people in power were Honest, had Integrity and kept to a code of Ethics, saying and doing nothing illegal  that could be used against them; then the telecom companies would not have had any leverage to affect the outcome of the FISA debacle.</p>
<p>George Orwell studied the history of the rise and fall of great nations and saw the U.S. going in the same direction.  He didn&#8217;t need a degree in Rocket Science or a Crystal Ball to extrapolate what path the US would end up following.</p>
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		<title>By: PatriotAct</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatriotAct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://patriotact.wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://patriotact.wordpress.com&lt;/a&gt;

I must encourage my fellow Americans to think more deeply about wiretapping. I worked for a big, fast moving wireless telecom. They, in collusion with the government have been listening forever. Most are to young to know they should not have forgotten this history.

Understand that the most valuable telecom data that is intercepted are the communications of elected officials, bank executives, etc ...

If there is gold in the middle of a field, this data, then somebody is going to try and steal this golden data, any thought to the contrary is childish. That&#039;s why we have powerful laws to protect our confidential and private communications and data.

For a political machine, blackmail is an important tool in persuading elected officials to do the bidding of those that can and do intercept communications from powerful people.

We invaded and blew up Iraq, they listen to everything, of course, they are terrified of their crimes.

This looks like all stops, all dirty laundry was whipped out. Arms were twisted and cracked.

And then Obama&#039;s plane almost wrecks out of the sky on monday, folks ! Get a clue. Wake up.</description>
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<p>I must encourage my fellow Americans to think more deeply about wiretapping. I worked for a big, fast moving wireless telecom. They, in collusion with the government have been listening forever. Most are to young to know they should not have forgotten this history.</p>
<p>Understand that the most valuable telecom data that is intercepted are the communications of elected officials, bank executives, etc &#8230;</p>
<p>If there is gold in the middle of a field, this data, then somebody is going to try and steal this golden data, any thought to the contrary is childish. That&#8217;s why we have powerful laws to protect our confidential and private communications and data.</p>
<p>For a political machine, blackmail is an important tool in persuading elected officials to do the bidding of those that can and do intercept communications from powerful people.</p>
<p>We invaded and blew up Iraq, they listen to everything, of course, they are terrified of their crimes.</p>
<p>This looks like all stops, all dirty laundry was whipped out. Arms were twisted and cracked.</p>
<p>And then Obama&#8217;s plane almost wrecks out of the sky on monday, folks ! Get a clue. Wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Bergan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Bergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This FISA letdown may have cinched it. Finally our anger has legs on the left and the right. Pelsoi put impeachment back on the table and not a single person believes her.

But I still have to vote for Democratic leaders because I think it&#039;s still a long road back and the other routes are impassable. However, the slightest centrist leaning red candidate could make me vote against Republican Jim Matheson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This FISA letdown may have cinched it. Finally our anger has legs on the left and the right. Pelsoi put impeachment back on the table and not a single person believes her.</p>
<p>But I still have to vote for Democratic leaders because I think it&#8217;s still a long road back and the other routes are impassable. However, the slightest centrist leaning red candidate could make me vote against Republican Jim Matheson.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy&#8217;s Jeremiad &#187; Congress Wipes Its Collective Butt With The Constitution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy&#8217;s Jeremiad &#187; Congress Wipes Its Collective Butt With The Constitution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bloggers have done a far better job than I could in breaking this travesty down.  I happily refer you to them for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Take my rights, please &#187; Drinking Liberally of Salt Lake City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Take my rights, please &#187; Drinking Liberally of Salt Lake City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t know what to say here; I&#8217;m just seething.  I can only defer to other, better bloggers on this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Frank Staheli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Staheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sgt Jake,

I agree.

If anyone had any inkling that Obama was sincerely about &quot;change&quot; this should squarely disabuse them of that notion.

If there ever were a time to vote for non-Establishment candidates, like Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or Ralph Nader, the time is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sgt Jake,</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>If anyone had any inkling that Obama was sincerely about &#8220;change&#8221; this should squarely disabuse them of that notion.</p>
<p>If there ever were a time to vote for non-Establishment candidates, like Ron Paul, Bob Barr, or Ralph Nader, the time is now.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1984 indeed - only 24 years later than predicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1984 indeed &#8211; only 24 years later than predicted.</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt_Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sgt_Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My letter to Obama. I guess I&#039;m voting for Ron Paul after all. 
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Please explain the following: &quot;The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any president or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court&quot;. -- Barack Obama

That was already the case. In fact, it&#039;s right here: 
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sup_01_50_10_36_20_I.html
It was a felony before FISA, and it&#039;s a felony after FISA, so the only thing that happened today was that you excused the felony actions of the presidential office and private telecommunications industry without so much as an investigation. You granted the government and private industry &quot;retroactive immunity&quot; from the law. 
 
So please explain again how this in any way supports your belief in the constitution or the rule of law. 
jake

PS - I feel utterly betrayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My letter to Obama. I guess I&#8217;m voting for Ron Paul after all.<br />
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Please explain the following: &#8220;The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any president or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court&#8221;. &#8212; Barack Obama</p>
<p>That was already the case. In fact, it&#8217;s right here:<br />
<a href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sup_01_50_10_36_20_I.html" rel="nofollow">http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sup_01_50_10_36_20_I.html</a><br />
It was a felony before FISA, and it&#8217;s a felony after FISA, so the only thing that happened today was that you excused the felony actions of the presidential office and private telecommunications industry without so much as an investigation. You granted the government and private industry &#8220;retroactive immunity&#8221; from the law. </p>
<p>So please explain again how this in any way supports your belief in the constitution or the rule of law.<br />
jake</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I feel utterly betrayed.</p>
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		<title>By: Obi wan liberali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obi wan liberali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel Maddow is right.  &quot;It is gut-wrenching.&quot;  I think I need my woobie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Maddow is right.  &#8220;It is gut-wrenching.&#8221;  I think I need my woobie.</p>
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