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	<title>Comments on: A Letter to Utah Democrats &#8211; Jeff Bell for Utah Democratic Party Chair</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Cavanaugh</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Cavanaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,
You have an interesting blog going here.  On April 8th I posted a comment in your &quot;6 Bloody Years&quot; section in which I mentioned an AP story about 550 tons of yellow cake found in Iraq a couple of years ago that was sold to Canada and expressed that it was interesting that you and the rest of the left wing media had ignored it.  My comment just sits there with no response--I assume that the reason is that neither you nor much of anyone else has visited that part of your blog for the last couple of months.
Also, I heard part of your radio program a few weeks ago in which you expressed some dismay about the status of our health care &quot;system&quot;.  I am also dismayed, as health care costs are in the stratosphere.  I would like to know what you think we should do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,<br />
You have an interesting blog going here.  On April 8th I posted a comment in your &#8220;6 Bloody Years&#8221; section in which I mentioned an AP story about 550 tons of yellow cake found in Iraq a couple of years ago that was sold to Canada and expressed that it was interesting that you and the rest of the left wing media had ignored it.  My comment just sits there with no response&#8211;I assume that the reason is that neither you nor much of anyone else has visited that part of your blog for the last couple of months.<br />
Also, I heard part of your radio program a few weeks ago in which you expressed some dismay about the status of our health care &#8220;system&#8221;.  I am also dismayed, as health care costs are in the stratosphere.  I would like to know what you think we should do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristina</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Cristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, Jeff. Good luck, I&#039;ll get everyone I can out to vote for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, Jeff. Good luck, I&#8217;ll get everyone I can out to vote for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Mann</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still waiting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Mann</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griever is a better word Misty.

Bell, what elected officials are supporting your effort?

Jim Matheson?

Peter Corroon?

Ralph Becker?

Jay Seegmiller?

Is my Representative, Phil Riesen, supporting you?

What about Jenny Wilson?

Who is Misty anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griever is a better word Misty.</p>
<p>Bell, what elected officials are supporting your effort?</p>
<p>Jim Matheson?</p>
<p>Peter Corroon?</p>
<p>Ralph Becker?</p>
<p>Jay Seegmiller?</p>
<p>Is my Representative, Phil Riesen, supporting you?</p>
<p>What about Jenny Wilson?</p>
<p>Who is Misty anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-612</link>
		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyril - That&#039;s great. I think Wayne has done a massive amount of good for the Party in the last four years. More than anything, I&#039;m trying to put forward the idea that we can do good, but do it on a much larger scale, at a much smaller budget and with a significantly improved rate of return.

In my opinion - we do as much as we currently can, locked in the habits of campaigning as it was 20 years ago. Those are solid foundations and we should keep at working in the best practices of tradition.

I propose that modern technology, and I&#039;m talking about much, much more than just the internet, make it easier to communicate at and above the level of - for example - the Republicans in the Utah Senate.

It&#039;s not that Wayne&#039;s bad, he&#039;s a great guy, he&#039;s been a great chair and he&#039;s done a lot of good. I just don&#039;t think that he&#039;s up to speed on the changes in political messaging. He&#039;s afraid of television, radio, the internet, social networks, anon, anon.

Since I let the party know I was running, the Party&#039;s online activity had increased nearly 500%. There. I already did a good thing, just by filing to run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyril &#8211; That&#8217;s great. I think Wayne has done a massive amount of good for the Party in the last four years. More than anything, I&#8217;m trying to put forward the idea that we can do good, but do it on a much larger scale, at a much smaller budget and with a significantly improved rate of return.</p>
<p>In my opinion &#8211; we do as much as we currently can, locked in the habits of campaigning as it was 20 years ago. Those are solid foundations and we should keep at working in the best practices of tradition.</p>
<p>I propose that modern technology, and I&#8217;m talking about much, much more than just the internet, make it easier to communicate at and above the level of &#8211; for example &#8211; the Republicans in the Utah Senate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that Wayne&#8217;s bad, he&#8217;s a great guy, he&#8217;s been a great chair and he&#8217;s done a lot of good. I just don&#8217;t think that he&#8217;s up to speed on the changes in political messaging. He&#8217;s afraid of television, radio, the internet, social networks, anon, anon.</p>
<p>Since I let the party know I was running, the Party&#8217;s online activity had increased nearly 500%. There. I already did a good thing, just by filing to run.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyril H. Noble</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyril H. Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff, this is Cyil in St. George. I have worked with  Wayne Holland and his administion for four years as  local party chair.  I have seen the party grow under his administation.so there no reason that I would vote for you . So if you see me campaigning for Wayne you will know why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff, this is Cyil in St. George. I have worked with  Wayne Holland and his administion for four years as  local party chair.  I have seen the party grow under his administation.so there no reason that I would vote for you . So if you see me campaigning for Wayne you will know why.</p>
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		<title>By: Misty Fowler</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-610</link>
		<dc:creator>Misty Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grieving? LOL. Right.</description>
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		<title>By: craig41</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig41</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark

Bringing up legislation as a response to what the other side is doing isn&#039;t winning a battle of ideas.  Nor were republicans forced to spend time on our issues, they were quickly shot down so that republicans could get back to what they deemed to be the important issues.

There is a disconnect between the state party and the voters of the state.  If all the polling shows the vast majority of people care most about our issues, then why aren&#039;t democrats winning enough seats to actually pass some legislation?  Why aren&#039;t they winning enough seats to stop a veto override?  It took a public vote to stop school vouchers, because the democratic party didn&#039;t have the votes to stop the republican run legislature from doing whatever they wanted with or without the governor&#039;s consent.

So we have no legislative power, and little if any election wins, and yet you claim the public is on our side.  That smells of poor management to me.  But I disagree that the public is on our side, they are on an issue by issue basis.  When you put names on a ballot with party affiliation, they are no longer on our side.  That is where the battle of ideas has been lost, and that is why we are still talking about everything in terms coined by republicans.  By fighting on their terms we have conceded, and until we define what this party stands for, not in response to what the other side stands for, but what our ideals are, we will continue to see people supporting our issues, and voting for republicans.

Moral victories aren&#039;t enough in politics, a look back at this last legislative session is enough to see that.  It&#039;s time to get the people who would support us if they knew what we stood for on our side, through identity, messaging, and strategy that can only come from the office of the chair of the party.  We need candidates running that are informed, supported, and assisted by the state party so they can engage voters.  This isn&#039;t what we have now, and it&#039;s results are seen in every bill that passes through the legislature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark</p>
<p>Bringing up legislation as a response to what the other side is doing isn&#8217;t winning a battle of ideas.  Nor were republicans forced to spend time on our issues, they were quickly shot down so that republicans could get back to what they deemed to be the important issues.</p>
<p>There is a disconnect between the state party and the voters of the state.  If all the polling shows the vast majority of people care most about our issues, then why aren&#8217;t democrats winning enough seats to actually pass some legislation?  Why aren&#8217;t they winning enough seats to stop a veto override?  It took a public vote to stop school vouchers, because the democratic party didn&#8217;t have the votes to stop the republican run legislature from doing whatever they wanted with or without the governor&#8217;s consent.</p>
<p>So we have no legislative power, and little if any election wins, and yet you claim the public is on our side.  That smells of poor management to me.  But I disagree that the public is on our side, they are on an issue by issue basis.  When you put names on a ballot with party affiliation, they are no longer on our side.  That is where the battle of ideas has been lost, and that is why we are still talking about everything in terms coined by republicans.  By fighting on their terms we have conceded, and until we define what this party stands for, not in response to what the other side stands for, but what our ideals are, we will continue to see people supporting our issues, and voting for republicans.</p>
<p>Moral victories aren&#8217;t enough in politics, a look back at this last legislative session is enough to see that.  It&#8217;s time to get the people who would support us if they knew what we stood for on our side, through identity, messaging, and strategy that can only come from the office of the chair of the party.  We need candidates running that are informed, supported, and assisted by the state party so they can engage voters.  This isn&#8217;t what we have now, and it&#8217;s results are seen in every bill that passes through the legislature.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Saunders</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Jason, it is just you.

The point is not that the legislation passed. My comment was clearly in reference to the &quot;battle of ideas&quot; that Jeff says Democrats have &quot;conceded.&quot; The point is that Democrats successfully controlled the agenda. We won on vouchers. We pushed ethics reform and equality to the front of the public consciousness. Republicans were forced to spend their time working on our issues, campaigning on our issues, and explaining to the public why they aren&#039;t acting on our issues. All the polling shows that the vast majority of people care most about our issues. That&#039;s no small feat, and it didn&#039;t just happen overnight.

Since Wayne was elected, Democrats gained seats in every election. Is that enough? No. There is still much work to do. But you act like we are worse off, and look rather childish moaning and groaning about how bad it is.

Regardless, if Bell&#039;s supporters are all as tactless and disrespectful as you responded to me, I don&#039;t see how he expects to make much progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Jason, it is just you.</p>
<p>The point is not that the legislation passed. My comment was clearly in reference to the &#8220;battle of ideas&#8221; that Jeff says Democrats have &#8220;conceded.&#8221; The point is that Democrats successfully controlled the agenda. We won on vouchers. We pushed ethics reform and equality to the front of the public consciousness. Republicans were forced to spend their time working on our issues, campaigning on our issues, and explaining to the public why they aren&#8217;t acting on our issues. All the polling shows that the vast majority of people care most about our issues. That&#8217;s no small feat, and it didn&#8217;t just happen overnight.</p>
<p>Since Wayne was elected, Democrats gained seats in every election. Is that enough? No. There is still much work to do. But you act like we are worse off, and look rather childish moaning and groaning about how bad it is.</p>
<p>Regardless, if Bell&#8217;s supporters are all as tactless and disrespectful as you responded to me, I don&#8217;t see how he expects to make much progress.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonthe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasonthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Mark, I don&#039;t even really know what to say other than what freakin&#039; state (of mind) are you living in?  Education?  Yeah, they cut that.  Ethics reform?  Yeah, they pushed that onto the back burner.  Human rights and equality?  Well, non of those bills passed.

Why?  There aren&#039;t enough Democrats winning elections.

There is a lot of room for improvement, whether a person support Bell or Holland, but rewriting history, and ignoring the reality just makes you sound like a very poorly informed douche bag.

Maybe that&#039;s just me.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Mark, I don&#8217;t even really know what to say other than what freakin&#8217; state (of mind) are you living in?  Education?  Yeah, they cut that.  Ethics reform?  Yeah, they pushed that onto the back burner.  Human rights and equality?  Well, non of those bills passed.</p>
<p>Why?  There aren&#8217;t enough Democrats winning elections.</p>
<p>There is a lot of room for improvement, whether a person support Bell or Holland, but rewriting history, and ignoring the reality just makes you sound like a very poorly informed douche bag.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s just me.  <img src='http://jmbell.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Saunders</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Isn&#039;t it improper to use quotations when paraphrasing?

I have to agree. Your so-called paraphrasing is exceptionally dishonest. As a self-proclaimed journalist, you should know that.

I cannot support your bid to take over the state party. Holland has done a fantastic job, and I regret that you don&#039;t have the guts to admit it.

However, I am interested in why you think Democrats have conceded debate over the battle of ideas. It seems to me that Democratic issues have taken center stage in Utah politics, much to the chagrin of the GOP. Education, Ethics Reform, Human Rights and Equality. What more do you want?

A piece of advice: give credit where it&#039;s due before tearing down others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it improper to use quotations when paraphrasing?</p>
<p>I have to agree. Your so-called paraphrasing is exceptionally dishonest. As a self-proclaimed journalist, you should know that.</p>
<p>I cannot support your bid to take over the state party. Holland has done a fantastic job, and I regret that you don&#8217;t have the guts to admit it.</p>
<p>However, I am interested in why you think Democrats have conceded debate over the battle of ideas. It seems to me that Democratic issues have taken center stage in Utah politics, much to the chagrin of the GOP. Education, Ethics Reform, Human Rights and Equality. What more do you want?</p>
<p>A piece of advice: give credit where it&#8217;s due before tearing down others.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonthe</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>jasonthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best of luck, man.</description>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank for stopping in, Lawrence. I&#039;m sorry you took off on such a negative jag. My reasons aren&#039;t because we haven&#039;t made strides - I recognize a lot of things that the party does very well.

My reason concern the other things.

Like strategic messaging - a month of targeted television vs. one day of full page ads that, while smart and funny, should have been run months before the election.

Like actually saving candidates money by teaching them to use the internet as more than a 5% appendage to lawn signs and expensive direct mail.

Regardless, you seem comfortable with the status quo - and that&#039;s great for you. I see things differently; I think we could do more - better, smarter and cheaper.

And lastly - I guess you missed the Tribune article I&#039;m paraphrasing in the &quot;don&#039;t win&quot; quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank for stopping in, Lawrence. I&#8217;m sorry you took off on such a negative jag. My reasons aren&#8217;t because we haven&#8217;t made strides &#8211; I recognize a lot of things that the party does very well.</p>
<p>My reason concern the other things.</p>
<p>Like strategic messaging &#8211; a month of targeted television vs. one day of full page ads that, while smart and funny, should have been run months before the election.</p>
<p>Like actually saving candidates money by teaching them to use the internet as more than a 5% appendage to lawn signs and expensive direct mail.</p>
<p>Regardless, you seem comfortable with the status quo &#8211; and that&#8217;s great for you. I see things differently; I think we could do more &#8211; better, smarter and cheaper.</p>
<p>And lastly &#8211; I guess you missed the Tribune article I&#8217;m paraphrasing in the &#8220;don&#8217;t win&#8221; quote.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Mann</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that your letter is possibly the most dishonest letter I may ever read.  I&#039;ve never heard the Chair ever say, &quot;Democrats can&#039;t win in Utah.&quot;  I also think your statement that prompting or peer pressure had anything to do with you running.  I think you decided to run, and now you&#039;re going to act like a Republican and lie, and spin, because you covet what others have earned.

The Democratic Party in Utah has made amazing strides recently, and what I&#039;m wondering is how does the party raise the money to do your messaging when everybody knows that you&#039;re no fundraiser.

If the party is hurting it is because of people like you and Misty. People who think grieving is activism.

I&#039;ll be voting for Holland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that your letter is possibly the most dishonest letter I may ever read.  I&#8217;ve never heard the Chair ever say, &#8220;Democrats can&#8217;t win in Utah.&#8221;  I also think your statement that prompting or peer pressure had anything to do with you running.  I think you decided to run, and now you&#8217;re going to act like a Republican and lie, and spin, because you covet what others have earned.</p>
<p>The Democratic Party in Utah has made amazing strides recently, and what I&#8217;m wondering is how does the party raise the money to do your messaging when everybody knows that you&#8217;re no fundraiser.</p>
<p>If the party is hurting it is because of people like you and Misty. People who think grieving is activism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be voting for Holland.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Buhr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Buhr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you&#039;ve got my vote :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you&#8217;ve got my vote <img src='http://jmbell.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Misty Fowler</title>
		<link>http://jmbell.org/blog/2009/04/a-letter-to-utah-democrats-jeff-bell-for-utah-democratic-party-chair/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>Misty Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I be the first to officially endorse you? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I be the first to officially endorse you? <img src='http://jmbell.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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