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	<title>Comments on: Rep. Rick Larsen (D) sets an example that Matheson wont follow</title>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA HA! See? Cameron can be funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA HA! See? Cameron can be funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just caution everyone to watch their rhetoric because it can get you labeled an extremist unamerican mob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just caution everyone to watch their rhetoric because it can get you labeled an extremist unamerican mob.</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your wrong - I think we did debate with ideas, ideologies, information, and reason, and that I also used the tools of banter and being belittling.

Just because I&#039;m a prick doesn&#039;t exclude everything else. Your inability to make your case and be somewhat less than bland isn&#039;t my fault. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your wrong &#8211; I think we did debate with ideas, ideologies, information, and reason, and that I also used the tools of banter and being belittling.</p>
<p>Just because I&#8217;m a prick doesn&#8217;t exclude everything else. Your inability to make your case and be somewhat less than bland isn&#8217;t my fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one told me you were nice. I am just pointing out that rather than fight the debate with ideas, ideologies, information, and reason, you have opted for belittling and banter.

It&#039;s interesting to see that you say Cameron called you a liar.  He never did that.  The only person in this conversation to use the word liar is you.

My point in saying what I did was to point out that you aren&#039;t really helping your cause.  You simply belittle those who argue with you, because you can&#039;t make your point.  Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one told me you were nice. I am just pointing out that rather than fight the debate with ideas, ideologies, information, and reason, you have opted for belittling and banter.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see that you say Cameron called you a liar.  He never did that.  The only person in this conversation to use the word liar is you.</p>
<p>My point in saying what I did was to point out that you aren&#8217;t really helping your cause.  You simply belittle those who argue with you, because you can&#8217;t make your point.  Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald D. Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald D. Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the right to refuse coverage to the sick, The right to rescind coverage at any time for any reason, The right to exclusive customer access via employers completely preempting any concept of competition.

Wait wait they already have those rights, I wonder what regulations they are under right now that you see as being so evil as to prevent the free market? They currently enjoy a very regulation free environment, And we can see where this has landed us.

A Free market is a More then one entity competing with each other on a level playing field with a substantially similar product with open and equal access to customers seeking this product.

Certain parts of health care can never be a free market Emergency care for example. Many parts of health don&#039;t function like a market in any way due to the nature of illness, No one chooses to get cancer, I can&#039;t go down to the hospital and have my arm fixed because i am going to break it next week but the broken arms are on sale this week.

Free market in health care is an illusion. Their are parts of the health care system that can work as a market but only limitedly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the right to refuse coverage to the sick, The right to rescind coverage at any time for any reason, The right to exclusive customer access via employers completely preempting any concept of competition.</p>
<p>Wait wait they already have those rights, I wonder what regulations they are under right now that you see as being so evil as to prevent the free market? They currently enjoy a very regulation free environment, And we can see where this has landed us.</p>
<p>A Free market is a More then one entity competing with each other on a level playing field with a substantially similar product with open and equal access to customers seeking this product.</p>
<p>Certain parts of health care can never be a free market Emergency care for example. Many parts of health don&#8217;t function like a market in any way due to the nature of illness, No one chooses to get cancer, I can&#8217;t go down to the hospital and have my arm fixed because i am going to break it next week but the broken arms are on sale this week.</p>
<p>Free market in health care is an illusion. Their are parts of the health care system that can work as a market but only limitedly so.</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I don&#039;t &quot;have to belittle&quot; - I do it because it&#039;s how I write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I don&#8217;t &#8220;have to belittle&#8221; &#8211; I do it because it&#8217;s how I write.</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis - my party is stacked with a bunch of chicken-shit sell outs who don&#039;t have the spine to fight for what they believe in.

Your party only supports &quot;reform&quot; when it will hurt and/or disenfranchise as many working and/or middle class citizens as possible. 

Cameron popped in here and called me a liar, you came in and backed him up. I called you both ignorant and delusional. Now, if I hurt your feelings, I&#039;m sorry about that. I would suggest, however, that whoever told you I was a cuddly, polite, spineless, chickenshit (like Jim Matheson) is having a nice laugh at your expense.

I&#039;m pissed and disgusted with the utter and absolute bullshit you Republicans are spreading about reform. You can&#039;t win with information, so you fight with bullshit or fear. 

I will only admit that the &quot;type slowly&quot; line was rude - but I still think it was funny as hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis &#8211; my party is stacked with a bunch of chicken-shit sell outs who don&#8217;t have the spine to fight for what they believe in.</p>
<p>Your party only supports &#8220;reform&#8221; when it will hurt and/or disenfranchise as many working and/or middle class citizens as possible. </p>
<p>Cameron popped in here and called me a liar, you came in and backed him up. I called you both ignorant and delusional. Now, if I hurt your feelings, I&#8217;m sorry about that. I would suggest, however, that whoever told you I was a cuddly, polite, spineless, chickenshit (like Jim Matheson) is having a nice laugh at your expense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pissed and disgusted with the utter and absolute bullshit you Republicans are spreading about reform. You can&#8217;t win with information, so you fight with bullshit or fear. </p>
<p>I will only admit that the &#8220;type slowly&#8221; line was rude &#8211; but I still think it was funny as hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald,

Based on your assessment there can never be a free market economy.  You are using faulty reasoning on this.

In a free market a company has the right to deny a service as much as it has a right to provide that service.  Just like I have a right to shop where I want or not shop where I don&#039;t want.

Freedom goes both ways, for the service provider and the service receiver.  Both parties are free to do as they please.  That is a free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald,</p>
<p>Based on your assessment there can never be a free market economy.  You are using faulty reasoning on this.</p>
<p>In a free market a company has the right to deny a service as much as it has a right to provide that service.  Just like I have a right to shop where I want or not shop where I don&#8217;t want.</p>
<p>Freedom goes both ways, for the service provider and the service receiver.  Both parties are free to do as they please.  That is a free market.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald D. Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald D. Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until Everyone can buy insurance from any provider they want without premium subsidy from their employer you will NEVER have a free market. AKA your free market solution which could work has already been shot down by you because it would interfere with your current insurance plan. Not that I believe that would solve the cost issues in the insurance side of the health cost equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until Everyone can buy insurance from any provider they want without premium subsidy from their employer you will NEVER have a free market. AKA your free market solution which could work has already been shot down by you because it would interfere with your current insurance plan. Not that I believe that would solve the cost issues in the insurance side of the health cost equation.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,  It&#039;s interesting how in ever one of your comments you have belittle Cameron or I.  You have yet to keep the personal slurs at bay.  It tells me that you aren&#039;t about having and intellectual argument with people.  You refuse to let history and facts play out.

Rather you would like to believe that your party is more accurate than mine.  I on the other hand am willing to call my party to the table when they are wrong.

Government run health care for everyone will ultimately lead to a single payer program.  It has been the goal of the socialist movement for decades.  And it is getting scary how close it is coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,  It&#8217;s interesting how in ever one of your comments you have belittle Cameron or I.  You have yet to keep the personal slurs at bay.  It tells me that you aren&#8217;t about having and intellectual argument with people.  You refuse to let history and facts play out.</p>
<p>Rather you would like to believe that your party is more accurate than mine.  I on the other hand am willing to call my party to the table when they are wrong.</p>
<p>Government run health care for everyone will ultimately lead to a single payer program.  It has been the goal of the socialist movement for decades.  And it is getting scary how close it is coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, that&#039;s just it.  No one is claiming we have a free market.  There are myriad reasons why we don&#039;t, including the fact that insurance is tied to employment as well as that government programs pay for 47% of medical care in this country.  Unfortunately, the current reforms being bandied about don&#039;t make the market more free - which is what we want, since “If the free market were actually acting as a free market, then there’d be no reason or need for reform.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, that&#8217;s just it.  No one is claiming we have a free market.  There are myriad reasons why we don&#8217;t, including the fact that insurance is tied to employment as well as that government programs pay for 47% of medical care in this country.  Unfortunately, the current reforms being bandied about don&#8217;t make the market more free &#8211; which is what we want, since “If the free market were actually acting as a free market, then there’d be no reason or need for reform.”</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it was Gotcha as in - Ah! I understand the depth of your delusional belief that mega-conglomerates will magically behave as if people were more than two legged ATM machines for them them to ass-rape the minute they need to use their insurance.

Not &quot;gotcha&quot; as in I caught you at something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it was Gotcha as in &#8211; Ah! I understand the depth of your delusional belief that mega-conglomerates will magically behave as if people were more than two legged ATM machines for them them to ass-rape the minute they need to use their insurance.</p>
<p>Not &#8220;gotcha&#8221; as in I caught you at something.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is that a &quot;gotcha?&quot;  This isn&#039;t about failing health insurance companies. It&#039;s about failing health care.

The problem is that the laws that exist benefit the health insurance companies more than they benefit the consumer.  These laws exist because of government bowing down to the health insurance lobby and appeasing them so that they can get re-elected.

It has made it harder for doctors to provide care, and harder for patients to receive care.  Because the Health Insurance companies have been protected by government bureaucracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is that a &#8220;gotcha?&#8221;  This isn&#8217;t about failing health insurance companies. It&#8217;s about failing health care.</p>
<p>The problem is that the laws that exist benefit the health insurance companies more than they benefit the consumer.  These laws exist because of government bowing down to the health insurance lobby and appeasing them so that they can get re-elected.</p>
<p>It has made it harder for doctors to provide care, and harder for patients to receive care.  Because the Health Insurance companies have been protected by government bureaucracy.</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So - one of the health insurance companies just posted a 130 billion dollar profit ... and you blame government intervention for impeding the &quot;free market&quot;?  Gotcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8211; one of the health insurance companies just posted a 130 billion dollar profit &#8230; and you blame government intervention for impeding the &#8220;free market&#8221;?  Gotcha.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the free market were actually acting as a free market, then there’d be no reason or need for reform.&quot;

Yes!  Wait, we wish health care was more of a free market, so we&#039;re going to create what the New York Times calls &quot;possibly the most complex legislation in modern history&quot; to make it more free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the free market were actually acting as a free market, then there’d be no reason or need for reform.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes!  Wait, we wish health care was more of a free market, so we&#8217;re going to create what the New York Times calls &#8220;possibly the most complex legislation in modern history&#8221; to make it more free?</p>
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